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    What would Jesus do: Bullying

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1406757.html

    Anti-bullying legislation may seem unlikely to spark controversy, but there are groups working to overturn new laws in the name of religious freedom.

    Focus on the Family is planning to counter the "Day of Silence," an annual event to protest LGBT bullying set for April 20, with its own "Day of Dialogue". The evangelical organization's aim is to muffle an effort that "crosses the line in a lot of ways beyond bullying into indoctrination, just promoting homosexuality and transgenderism."
    The group has been advocating an anti-anti-bullying message for years. When a California school adopted an anti-bullying rule that mentioned gays and lesbians in 2010, backlash ensued.
    "The school introduced anti-bullying lessons, but really they're teaching elementary school kids about gay marriage," Candi Cushman, education analyst for Focus on the Family, told ABC. "We think parents should have the right to teach kids about it in their own way."
    In March, a Christian hard rock band delivered an unusual message to Iowa high school students at an assembly about bullying. "They told these kids that anyone who was gay was going to die at the age of 42," one parent told the La Crosse Tribune.
    Socially conservative groups nationwide have lobbied state legislatures to strike down and limit anti-bullying measures, The Guardian's Katherine Stewart reports.
    Last month a Christian, family-values lobbying group convinced Arizona lawmakers to kill an anti-bullying bill that it said carried a gay friendly agenda, according to the Arizona Daily Star. The state Senate's minority leader, David Schapira, blamed the president of the lobbying group for killing the bill, calling her a "legislative terrorist."

    "Cathi Herrod, an unelected lobbyist, killed a bill that would protect all Arizona kids purely because of her intolerance of gay kids," he said.
    Materials on the Center for Arizona Policy's site tell Christian parents that their children have the responsibility to share their faith with others, and Herrod, the center's president, wrote in a statement that she opposed the anti-bullying bill in Arizona because it encouraged LGBT tolerance.
    In recent years, concerns about bullying have garnered national attention. But when you look behind the curtain at what is driving this nationwide dialogue, you find out that the groups that are pushing the "anti-bullying" campaigns are the same organizations working to redefine marriage and to force cultural acceptance and affirmation of homosexual lifestyles.
    Other states have passed legislation that specifically protects religious bullies. In 2011, Michigan passed a bill with a provision that allows bullying based on "a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction."
    The law, called Matt's Safe School Law, was named after Matt Epling, a gay teenager who killed himself in 2002 after bullies assaulted him. The clause was removed following outrage from lawmakers and Epling's parents.
    An anti-bullying bill introduced last year in Tennessee contained similar language regarding faith-based bullying:
    Harassment, intimidation, or bullying prevention task forces, programs, and other initiatives formed by school districts, including any curriculum adopted for such purposes, shall not include materials or training that explicitly or implicitly promote a political agenda, make the characteristics of the victim the focus rather than the conduct of the person engaged in harassment, intimidation, or bullying, or teach or suggest that certain beliefs or viewpoints are discriminatory when an act or practice based on such belief or viewpoint is not a discriminatory practice as defined in 4-21-102(4).
    Like the early version of the Michigan bill, this measure originally was introduced in the wake of a gay teen's suicide. Last year, the Tennessee Senate passed a so-called "Don't Say Gay" bill that would have prohibited teachers from acknowledging any sexuality other than heterosexuality to students between kindergarten and eighth grade. It was voted down in the state House.
    Anti-bullying backlash doesn't only come from Christian groups. Orthodox Jewish and Christian groups came together in Toronto last year to protest an anti-bullying measure “as a vehicle to indoctrinate children into embracing a new sexual revolution.” It focused on the measure's call to establish a gay-straight alliance, and add support for students of all sexual orientations and gender identities.
    “To force, especially Christian, classrooms or schools to have homosexual clubs would, of course, be an affront to their family values,” said Charles McVety, president of Christian Canada College. “And what does this have to do with bullying? Nothing.”
    Besides loving thy neighbor, what does the Bible say about bullying?

    “Anyone who claims to be in the light, but hates his brother is still in the darkness.” 1 John 2:9
    According to the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, 9 out of 10 LGBT teens report being bullied at school and these students are two to three times more likely to commit suicide than their straight peers.

    This is so absolutely disgusting. More disgusting (because i expect this nonsense from fundamentalists) is the lack of speaking out by other Christians against this crap. You know, the ones who like to throw around the line about wanting more Muslims to come out in condemnation of extreme Islam. Well, put your money where your mouth is.


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    It's another case of a vocal minority ruining it for everyone else. Fucktards.

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    So why don't the majority speak out? I don't expect a real answer here, because you'd have to assume a lot of shit. It just doesn't make sense to me that the silent majority would be OK with this crap unless they were, well, actually OK with it.

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    Out of sight out of mind kinda thing for them?
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    Yeah but how big is the fucking rock you're living under if this kind of stuff is "out of sight?"

    Oh, did you guys hear Kanye West and Kim Kardashian are hooking up?

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    ^LOL! You answered your own question there. Most people don't give enough of a shit to really speak out unless it directly affects them. The amount of effort the average person is willing to expend to make change is to click "like" on Facebook.

    Then again, we bitch about shit on a forum, not sure how much better we are. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMattTheHobo View Post
    Yeah but how big is the fucking rock you're living under if this kind of stuff is "out of sight?"
    a religious moderate in PA doing something about stupid people in...Arizona? Keep in mind the moderates are not usually the ones who get up on talk shows and masturbate for the cameras, it is the attention-loving extremist dingleberries. What kind of television does "Let's all accept that there are opposing viewpoints and work for the betterment of society" make? "YOU WILL BURN IN THE PITS OF HELL, FAGGOT!" really does more for ratings.
    Oh, did you guys hear Kanye West and Kim Kardashian are hooking up?

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    We have an actual dialogue going here. But I think most of us are reasonable, intelligent people, so it's not like we're an important audience to discuss these social issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chalupa View Post
    a religious moderate in PA doing something about stupid people in...Arizona? Keep in mind the moderates are not usually the ones who get up on talk shows and masturbate for the cameras, it is the attention-loving extremist dingleberries. What kind of television does "Let's all accept that there are opposing viewpoints and work for the betterment of society" make? "YOU WILL BURN IN THE PITS OF HELL, FAGGOT!" really does more for ratings.

    You hit another point in there. The media feeds this by giving the fucktards on either side so much air time because it gets the ratings. Moderates could be speaking out all day long but if their speech isn't extreme enough, it'll barely warrant a mention.

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    Yes, it is absolutely reprehensible that American religious groups would show concern about having their -- and our, for that matter -- fundamental liberties (freedom of religion, of speech/opinion) eroded in the name of 'anti-bullying' (i.e., pro-'gay rights'), as has happened and is happening across Europe and in Canada via similar legislation. They all ought to be thrown in jail for believing what they do, hurting the feelings of our gay brothers and sisters, and brother-sisters and sister-brothers. Disgusting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Hume View Post
    Yes, it is absolutely reprehensible that American religious groups would show concern about having their -- and our, for that matter -- fundamental liberties (freedom of religion, of speech/opinion) eroded in the name of 'anti-bullying' (i.e., pro-'gay rights'), as has happened and is happening across Europe and in Canada. They all ought to be thrown in jail for believing what they do. Disgusting.
    So where's the evidence of this indoctrination? Fundamentalists love bitching about how their children are being brainwashed, but they rarely, if iever, show examples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Hume View Post
    Yes, it is absolutely reprehensible that American religious groups would show concern about having their -- and our, for that matter -- fundamental liberties (freedom of religion, of speech/opinion) eroded in the name of 'anti-bullying' (i.e., pro-'gay rights'), as has happened and is happening across Europe and in Canada. They all ought to be thrown in jail for believing what they do. Disgusting.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigMattTheHobo View Post
    So where's the evidence of this indoctrination? Fundamentalists love bitching about how their children are being brainwashed, but they rarely, if iever, show examples.
    There is none. Indoctrination is thrown around by people who use it as the basis of their school of thought when another viewpoint arises. The hypocrisy would be hilarious if it didn't end up hurting so many people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMattTheHobo View Post
    So where's the evidence of this indoctrination? Fundamentalists love bitching about how their children are being brainwashed, but they rarely, if iever, show examples.
    I don't know much about that particular concern, but I do know that supposedly free people in Canada and in Europe are suffering serious legal consequences -- in the name of protecting the feelings ('rights') of minorities, notably gays' -- for simply being true to their faith, as they have always done.

    Do you agree with this kind of action?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMattTheHobo View Post
    Yeah but how big is the fucking rock you're living under if this kind of stuff is "out of sight?"

    Oh, did you guys hear Kanye West and Kim Kardashian are hooking up?
    what is it with her and dark meat. Her marriage to that white guy was a publicity stunt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Hume View Post
    I don't know much about that particular concern, but I do know that supposedly free people in Canada and in Europe are suffering serious legal consequences -- in the name of protecting the feelings ('rights') of minorities, notably gays' -- for simply being true to their faith, as they have always done.

    Do you agree with this kind of action?
    "I have no sources to backup my previous statement" You're a joke.

    I'm not even going to indulge your ridiculous approach to this.

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